Do you split tens if? If this is your first visit to the Blackjack Forum, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You will have to r e g i s t e r (free) before you can post: click the r e g i s t e r link to proceed. Quote: blackjackgolden Last time I split ten's the deck was 7-9 abundant with the dealer showing a 4 in a + count. The player sitting next to me had a 10, anyways he was making bad plays and pretty much throwing a fit me when I made strategy deviation's. I winked at the dealer and said split.
When it comes to online blackjack, splitting rules might vary depending on games variants. For instance, if you split 10s and get another 10 on one hand, you can split that too; it’s known as resplitting. Majority of variations and house rules allow it for up to three times (totaling four hands), but some don’t.
Mohegan Sun in CT does not allow to split tens or face cards. I am wondering what could possibly be the reason for such rule - since it's never the right play anyway, I would think, that the casino should welcome such move rather than forbid it.I used to think, this was an attempt to make a card counter's life harder (since the only reason you might ever want to split tens is if you are counting), but recently, I noticed that even at one of the few tables there that had CSMs it was still disallowed.
Can any one think of an explanation, other than they just did not want to make an exception in the rules for those few tables (I don't like this explanation, because those tables are also the only H17 ones, so, in a way, they are already exceptional).
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In Atlantic City there is a similar rule forbidding hitting or doubling on a blackjack, which you should do sometimes in Double Exposure. There is also a rule in Atlantic City, which I agree with, prohibiting the big 6 and 8 bets in craps (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
I doubt protecting the casino from card counters was the reason. It isn't that strong a play for card counters, but does wave a gigantic red flag that says 'Either I'm an idiot or a genius, you figure it out.'
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There is also a rule in Atlantic City, which I agree with, prohibiting the big 6 and 8 bets in craps (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
You're right. And apparently, PA copied AC's rules. The Big 6/8 isn't in the 2 PA casinos I visited.Administrator
Big 6/8 should pay a bonus of the hard way... then it'd at least be a variant (maybe 3/2 on a hard way, evens on everything else).
I agree. Some casinos have used that space for other prop bets, which I support.
About the 190 proof Everclear, I didn't know that, thanks.
Mohegan Sun in CT does not allow to split tens or face cards. I am wondering what could possibly be the reason for such rule - since it's never the right play anyway, I would think, that the casino should welcome such move rather than forbid it.
I used to think, this was an attempt to make a card counter's life harder (since the only reason you might ever want to split tens is if you are counting), but recently, I noticed that even at one of the few tables there that had CSMs it was still disallowed.
Can any one think of an explanation, other than they just did not want to make an exception in the rules for those few tables (I don't like this explanation, because those tables are also the only H17 ones, so, in a way, they are already exceptional).
When counting cards, there are index numbers for splitting 10's against a 5 or 6. Most counters I know keep the 20 because splitting can be a red flag. They consider it a form of cover play not to split.
I have been asking periodically since 1996 why Mohegan Sun does not allow splitting 10's. The answer from dealer to high level management has always been the same. They don't want fights to break out among the players. That simple explanation makes me wonder if anyone really knows. Since it has been 14 years, the person who thought this one up probably doesn't work there any more.
In any event, isn't it nice to know that they don't want the players killing each other?
I have been asking periodically since 1996 why Mohegan Sun does not allow splitting 10's. The answer from dealer to high level management has always been the same. They don't want fights to break out among the players.
I was going to suggest that theory. It seems to me that the most uncontrollable anger I've seen comes when a player starts to split tens. There is almost always someone at the table that believes that the splitter is ruining the table for him. It's an easy way to minimize fights.
I doubt protecting the casino from card counters was the reason. It isn't that strong a play for card counters, but does wave a gigantic red flag that says 'Either I'm an idiot or a genius, you figure it out.'
Last time I split ten's the deck was 7-9 abundant with the dealer showing a 4 in a + count. The player sitting next to me had a 10, anyways he was making bad plays and pretty much throwing a fit me when I made strategy deviation's. I winked at the dealer and said split. Threw my money out and pulled a 13 still 7-9 abundant so I crossed my fingers and made another 'bad play' I said double me down captain, I pulled an 8 for a 21. On the other hand I got a 4 to make 14. I said why not I can either double and break even on the hand or win and be ahead. So I was out of $5 dollar chips and toke a $25 chip out and said change please. I got my stack of $5 chips and doubled down. I turned away from the table and the next thing I know the people that had gathered to watch this hand play out erupted in cheers. I turned around and sure enough I had another 21. The other player pulled a 6 and ten and busted out. I stole his twenty 1 if you are paying attention. And the dealer turned over his hole card and showed a 6 hit for 16 hit again for a ten. If you payed attention you would have noticed had I decided to stand on the tens I would have had a 20, the other player would have had a 21 and the dealer would have had a 21. Isnt if funny how the cards fall. I turned a $15 losing hand into a $60 winning hand the other player left and I didn't have to play with someone who was taking the dealers bust cards and giving him winning hands anymore.
Last time I split ten's the deck was 7-9 abundant with the dealer showing a 4 in a + count. The player sitting next to me had a 10, anyways he was making bad plays and pretty much throwing a fit me when I made strategy deviation's. I winked at the dealer and said split. Threw my money out and pulled a 13 still 7-9 abundant so I crossed my fingers and made another 'bad play' I said double me down captain, I pulled an 8 for a 21. On the other hand I got a 4 to make 14. I said why not I can either double and break even on the hand or win and be ahead. So I was out of $5 dollar chips and toke a $25 chip out and said change please. I got my stack of $5 chips and doubled down. I turned away from the table and the next thing I know the people that had gathered to watch this hand play out erupted in cheers. I turned around and sure enough I had another 21. The other player pulled a 6 and ten and busted out. I stole his twenty 1 if you are paying attention. And the dealer turned over his hole card and showed a 6 hit for 16 hit again for a ten. If you payed attention you would have noticed had I decided to stand on the tens I would have had a 20, the other player would have had a 21 and the dealer would have had a 21. Isnt if funny how the cards fall. I turned a $15 losing hand into a $60 winning hand the other player left and I didn't have to play with someone who was taking the dealers bust cards and giving him winning hands anymore.
Shame on that player for taking the dealer's bust cards. That could make you lose the next time you double hard 13s and 14s.
Blackjack Splitting Strategy
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In blackjack, the option to split your cards can be vital in order to increase your chances of winning, and lowering the house edge. For long-term success, understanding the advantages, disadvantages and when to pounce on the opportunity to split, is crucial. Splitting, as explained on our terminology page, refers to the option of dividing our hand into two separate hands, upon being dealt a matching pair.
We can split our hand if we are dealt two cards of the same value. For example, we can split two Aces, two Fours or two Kings. Depending on the rules, some blackjack games allow us to split non-matching face cards, because they are still valued at 10 points. For instance, we might be allowed to split a King and a Queen.
When splitting, we must place an additional bet equal to our original wager to cover the second hand. Our original matching cards will then be physically separated from each other to form two hands, and we will then be dealt an additional card for each new hand. Now, we play out our hands one at a time, just as we would if we had bet two hands at the start of the round, and we can opt to hit, stand, double down and even split again if the opportunity arises (although some games do not allow us to split again after already having split).
Note: If you are playing in a land-based casino, you must refrain from touching your cards at all times.
Again, depending on the style of 21 we are playing, there can be some slight variations in the rules regarding splitting, but there is always a level of restriction to limit or balance the tactic. The main rule which changes from game to game is the continual splitting option, where if we receive two of the same cards and opt to split them, and then receive another card of the same value, we may or may not be able to split again (and again).
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Split cards in play
Most styles of blackjack will let you double down on split hands, and also re-split your hands further if the possibility arises. However, as explained, some casinos have rules which restrict additional options. Here are the two common rule variations:
Blackjack Split 10s
- If you split a pair of Aces, you will only be dealt one more additional card and you cannot hit, double down or split your hands any further and must work with the cards you’re dealt.
- If you split your hand once, further splits or double downs are not allowed.
If we are playing a standard game of blackjack, then standard rules stipulate we can generally split our hands up to a maximum of three times, which would mean we would be playing a total of four hands. Having said that, always check the rules before you begin playing either online or at a B&R casino to avoid confusion. It is important to try and make sure you have enough chips left so if you are dealt a couple of hands in which you’d be best served to split, you aren’t out of cash.
When to split
A common misconception for many in regards to splitting cards is that they should do so every time they receive a matching pair of the same value. Like all blackjack moves, splitting should be carefully considered and the dealer’s up-card should always be taken in to consideration.
Splitting Aces
A pair of Aces is undoubtedly the most popular hand to split. By rule of thumb, we should always choose to split two Aces if we are dealt such a hand. In doing so, we are giving ourselves a greater chance to draw at least one blackjack hand. Alternately, if we opted to keep both Aces for a total value of either two or 12 points, this would eliminate and waste the potential for two separate hands reaching a natural blackjack. In some games, if we hit blackjack (whether it be after splitting or without splitting), we are paid out immediately, regardless of what the dealer has.
Note: Due to the popularity of splitting Aces in blackjack, should a split Ace be dealt a card valued at ten, some casinos and their rule variations will not regard that as a natural blackjack, and will not payout 3:2, but rather 1:1 Try to avoid such rules.